Doodle Rage: Potnoodle’s own private issues with this ”breed”

22 Apr

I have quite a bit of rage in my heart. Almost  30% of it is dedicated to jaywalkers that I just want to run down in my car, but that’s off topic.

It’s like grand theft auto. In a volvo.

An even greater portion is dedicated to the breeding and breeders of “doodles”.

This is a doodle.

This is why Potnoodle sobs at night.

Honestly, I’m not even one of those people that can take the high road and forgive the dogs of their owner’s folly. They’re gross, they’re dumb, and they’re ugly. And I don’t like the way their mommy dresses them either.


When I worked for a groomer, we had at least one a week come in, mostly goldendoodles, both miniature and standard sized. They usually smelled like ass, often had foreign objects embedded in their pelt, and were invariably named something like Carlton.

It’s not unusual… to be a total fucktard if you own a doodle.

The Owners:

Real Dog People don’t own doodles. Doodle owners sometimes evolve into Real Dog People when they wisen up and go for a rescue or a breeder for their next dog. If a RDP wants a mixed breed, they go for a rescue or perhaps, if they’re a special kind of idiot, a purposeful sport mix.

Probably not this kind of sport dog but close enough.

Most Common Reasons for getting a Doodle.

1. We wanted a hypo-allergenic dog.

There are many, many reasons this is wrong. Most importantly, even actual non- shedding breeds are not hypo-allergenic. That’s right. Every lie every poodle back yard breeder has ever told you is just that– a lie. Sorry.

It’s not so bad… but I can’t reach my butt.

2. We want a dog that doesn’t shed.


Sorry, dumbass,  there’s no guarantee that f1 cross isn’t going to leak hair like an Alaskan Gas line leaks oil. I’d say get a poodle if you want something that doesn’t shed, but I don’t want you besmirching the good name of my breed. Get a stuffed animal, we’ll all sleep better at night.

Get this. We’ll like you if you get this.

3. “We want a dog with the hair of a poodle and the brains of a lab/golden”

No. I can’t even. Just get out. If you’re the sort of person that says that and you read this blog… just stop. We don’t need your views.

109 stones. How’s that lab brain sounding now?

The Dog

Doodles are dumb. Ask any trainer, groomer, or person that has looked at one for more than ten minutes at a dog park. Poodles are incredibly intelligent. Golden Retrievers are smart and very willing to please. Labs are… well labs are labs, but whatever, they’re smarter than doodles. I’m not really sure what happens in that fuckery of gene muddling that doodles are, but it’s bad. They run in to shit. they have no dog/dog manners, and they’re no good at what either breed was bred to do. For science*, I googled “Doodle retrieving ducks” and I got…. nothing. There were a few pics of doodles being the ugly ball of scruff that they are, several of standard poodles retrieving and even a few of Irish water spaniels. Pro tip: those aren’t doodles.

*Science. It works, Bitches.


Got Doodle rage? Got Potnoodle rage because she hates doodles? Feel free to get it all out in the comments.

263 Responses to “Doodle Rage: Potnoodle’s own private issues with this ”breed””

  1. Lisa November 16, 2013 at 10:49 pm #

    Awww, I feel badly. I adopted my Great Dane/Poodle mix from the shelter where I work. The guy brought it in to be euthanized because it growled at his grandkid (He purchased it from a BYB obviously). I have a thing for Danes so didn’t think twice about bringing him home and “testing” him out. He is the most stupid, ridiculous numbskull, but sweet as anything. He has never bitten anyone and he gets along with my other dogs. Although my Dane hates him for all the reasons you said, he is obnoxious and gets in my dogs faces like a moron, and dances around them “bopping” them in the side until they chase him away and then he yelps like he’s being murdered…aww forget it. He’s dumb. LOL

    • Karenanne January 4, 2014 at 5:31 pm #

      Good for you for rescuing your Dane/Poodle mix. He didn’t asked to be born and I’m sure the love you get is invaluable to you and the love you give is invaluable to him.

      • Lisa January 7, 2014 at 12:08 am #

        Thank you. 🙂 He is loved and brings a smile to my face every day with his ridiculous antics.

  2. Kama November 21, 2013 at 5:03 am #

    I have a standard poodle male and a female labrador retriever and I would shoot myself in the foot before I would ever breed them together. I got the labrador first and realized that she was a single focused tornado and then got the poodle so I could have an actual pet dog who is brilliant and cute! I compete in a lot of things with the lab and after 4 years I’ve grown to adore her– but I promise you I will never get another labrador as long as I live– and I will never live without a standard poodle.

    • Theresa November 26, 2013 at 5:42 pm #

      Agreed on the Standard Poodle. I have owned poodles (never a toy size) for most of my life, and adore Standards. I don’t even mind the hour+ spent grooming her, and I currently have her in a kennel cut with poms. Takes me three+ hours a day when I wait and have her groomed to look like the show dog she could have been, had I wanted to. And at the age of two, she is still being trained and socialized. Who said it ever stops?

    • yellerlab September 17, 2014 at 9:06 pm #

      My! Well, I certainly understand your love of a poodle. As a trainer of pet dogs and service dogs, I rejoice when a client comes in with a poodle (unless its a byb small yapper). Standards are great to train. SO enjoyable.

      Of course, I must stand up for my love of Labradors. My heart goes to them. Yes, they are knuckle heads with lack of boundaries IF they aren’t given direction. However, they fit my personality perfectly.

      I have a Labrador service dog and he couldn’t fit me better. I find the energy of the lab easy to channel into work. We have done all kinds of dog sports including those not suited for labs like sheep herding.

      Our forte is Freestyle and tracking. Labs are hams and love to show off.

      There seems to be a little question on this list as to whether or not they are smart or good enough. What is the question? I can list our accomplishments and the number of words my lab knows.

      I hope I do not need to do this. If anything, I would have to say that the majority of Labs are not trained. This makes them look like idiots.

      But I digress.

      Lets get to the doodles. Those doodles make my blood boil. YUCK! Why do they appear so dumb? One of my best friends bought one despite my warnings, discussion on pedigree, health clearances, etc.

      Yes, the dog arrived untrained, not house trained, and not socialized at 5 mos. The actual dog is ok. But it burns me that she could have gone to a rescue and gotten the same dog without perpetuating the breeding-gone-wild.

      I am appalled that these creatures continue to be a hit with so many people. Meanwhile, my well-bred Lab is often questioned. “Is he a REAL Labrador?” ARGH!

      There are some suburbs where all I see are doodles! Like The Stepford Wives, only its the dogs that are zombies!

      Most of the pet people, whether doodle owners or not, do not understand my issue with them.

      You can imagine how difficult it is to hang out with my friend.
      Any comments I make about doodles causes a rift between us.
      She loves the “breeder” (isn’t “breeder” an oxymoron?).

      I don’t know if I will ever be able to have a responsible doodle chat with her.

  3. PoodlesNotDoodles November 27, 2013 at 8:18 pm #

    Just found this. Oh, such a happy reader! Thank you for this glorious rant and for saving further need to explain why designer breeds suck. Next person who touts the virtues of a doodle or any other mixed breed is getting this link.

    I would strongly encourage anyone thinking of purchasing one of these unfortunate creatures to consider where the parents of their trendy new baby must have come from when responsible breeders with ETHICS who do health checks would never allow the beautiful purebred pups they’ve put their heart and soul into to be used to create mutts. Hmmmn, think those parents passed their health checks? Do ya? Ask the backyard breeder for proof of CERF, OFA testing. And while you’re at it, ask them to explain the phrase second generation hybrid vigor. ;->

    No. Just no. OK, Hell No.

  4. Lydia December 3, 2013 at 1:07 pm #

    This is actually fantastic, freakin hate doodles!

  5. Jessica December 9, 2013 at 10:58 pm #

    Love this!! Poodle all the way!

  6. My dogs a doodle December 20, 2013 at 5:17 pm #

    you are as dumb as a rock

    • Patty Hughes January 5, 2014 at 2:01 pm #

      dumb as a rock sounds about right for the humans ranting. The remarks about designer dogs being a bad thing. People please:::: all dogs are designer dogs. I don’t remember reading one thing in the bible about God created labs, poodles, corgi’s, weimaraners or what ever. They are man made and I must say if it has 4 legs, fur on it’s body, loving to a fault more than humans are. I love them all. And to believe that any true animal lover can call a dog a MUTT like above person did !!! Well that is not real true love for animals. So I agree with your post when you said YOU ARE AS DUMB AS A ROCK and as cold as one too. God Bless All The Dogs ❤

      • Keith Williamson February 3, 2014 at 12:04 pm #

        your an idiot!

      • Kay February 4, 2014 at 6:02 am #

        Wrong. All dogs are man made but not all dogs are mutts. Designer dogs are bad because they were bred for profit not function and certainly not health. Breeds have specific standards and lineages to make them a breed and not a mutt. Mutt is not derogatory, it’s a dog of unknown lineage or not purebred. ‘True dog lovers’ would never support the intentional breeding of any mutt, mix, or designer dog.

      • Please no more designer mutts September 8, 2014 at 2:23 pm #

        Oh my brain is about explode with how asinine what you and ‘My dogs a doodle’ just said. Please learn a little something about dog genetics before you go ramming you belief system down peoples throats. As some of us don’t think it a trivial matter.

      • Lisa December 24, 2014 at 1:04 am #

        We have enough UNWANTED disposed of mixed breeds out there (designer my butt!) you are encouraging any irresponsible duphus that did not spay their female to market an accident as some hybrid or designer to some other unwitting fool to make money. These people are charging a large sum for what we used to call mutts. A good purebred has genetic history that goes way back these guys don’t they are an experiment! An expensive expirement. I love the history behind my purebred’s breed! What it was created for and how. Your dogs were not created with a job in mind other than to say I have this doodle. It is like the Nike of dogs. I own this breed cause of it’s name look at me and my designer pooch and my fancy house and expensive car!

      • Randall April 9, 2015 at 1:57 pm #

        @Kay – Though I am very much for responsible breeding, intentionally breeding different breeds together is how we created a lot of what are now “pure breeds” because the breeders cultivated the dogs to all carry certain traits reliably through the lineage. IF certain doodles, for example labradoodles, could be could be cultivated for specific traits and decent health, and got away from just mixing poodles with labs and stuck to labradoodle parents, so that all the puppies carried certain traits, THAT’S the creation of a new “pure breed”.

    • Lisa December 24, 2014 at 12:52 am #

      No you and your ugly dog are the idiots here

    • Wendy Gardner January 19, 2015 at 3:56 pm #

      I board dogs in my home for a living and the author is correct. Doodles are the mind numbingly stupid. I can’t stand them. Too stupid to know things like rocks, docks and gloves aren’t edible. Almost as dumb as a lab

      • Mitch March 24, 2015 at 3:59 am #

        Please do not paint such a broad uneducated brush as to Labrador intelligence based on your limited experience and sample size as a dog boarder. I have had labs all my life. They are NOT dumb. Highly intelligent, fast learners, become skilled at most everything they attempt, know a crazy amount of commands and words. Is it a wonder they are guide and search and rescue dogs? Would you want a “dumb” dog doing such things? Please. Yes, we joke about them being a little simple-minded, stubborn, hard-headed, lumbering, etc. at times, but that is a personality/temperament trait and every dog breed has specific temperament traits. I hope you realize that? Comments like yours just further the ignorance and bias of breeds. Maybe what you’ve had as a boarder are poorly bred lab mixes or bad BYB labs. I’ve had the gamut – a champion line bred, a BYB (but not puppy mill), a rescue. Each was a smart, fast learner, people pleasing, sweet and just a damn good dog. Will never have anything else.

      • yellerlab April 12, 2015 at 11:01 pm #

        Goodness! I board dogs, too! I am also a lab person. Ruh roh. Mitch has pretty much nailed it. Anything Labs can physically do, they can be taught to do. My dogs are also from great lines but I have cared for some fantastic BYB Labs, too.Its all about good training.

  7. Tom January 3, 2014 at 5:02 am #

    The guy that started it all by breeding the first litter totally regrets having ever done it. What’s that tell you!

  8. Christine January 3, 2014 at 5:53 am #

    Thank you for this rant. I absolutely freaking HATE doodles. They are ugly. They are stupid. The people who breed them need to be slapped.

  9. Janis Nixon January 3, 2014 at 5:40 pm #

    Doodles aren’t a breed. Just because Mom and Dad are purebred, that doesn’t make the pups purebred. They are mixed breeds and could exhibit any, all or mostly none of their parents’ abilities and looks. If you want a ‘doodle’ go and rescue one, don’t buy one. Buying them just encourages idiots to crossbreed, and puts more unwanted dogs on the street. There are more than enough ‘oopsies’ to go ’round and if you want a particular dog for a particular reason, get a purebred, either by adoption or from a reputable breeder.

  10. Leslie January 3, 2014 at 11:48 pm #

    My chief problems (other than those mentioned – especially the lack of health testing) are (a) the prices people pay for their designer mixed-breed dogs, and (b) not one of the doodle owners I’ve met was told about bloat by their breeders. I always ask that question and tell them to google it for the sake of their pet.

  11. jane January 4, 2014 at 5:49 am #

    BAH HA HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!! THANK YOU !!! I have been a Licensed Veterinary Techician for 24 years and have NEVER met ANYTHING as stupid as a doodle!!!!! “Oh but he’s a purebreed” NOT !!! ” Oh THIS breed is hypoallergenic” !!!! NOT “What do you mean its not a registered breed?? I got papers from the PUPPY STORE” !!!!!! ASS HAT !!!!!!! I know not EVERY dog can or should be pigeon-holed…just like you shouldnt generalize about people……..but these dogs are just plain STUPID !!!! Thank you SO much for your rant…..and allowing me mine 🙂

  12. Geneva Coats January 4, 2014 at 7:02 am #

    I’ll be sure to tell Guide Dogs of the Desert that their labradoodles are stupid and so are they for breeding them. They will undoubtedly appreciate being brought up to speed.
    Good to learn that they are simply opportunist BYBers who never provide proper medical care or do any health testing.
    And we wonder why the humaniacs are winning the battle against dog breeders. No mystery there.

    • Mountain Poodle January 4, 2014 at 6:11 pm #

      According to the Guide Dogs of the Desert web page, they are currently breeding Labrador Retrievers, Golden Retrievers and Standard Poodles. If they did experiment with Doodles, it looks like they may have realized that the mix was a poor one. All of the current dogs in their program look like purebreds.

  13. Pi-Quin Row January 4, 2014 at 2:21 pm #

    The sad thing is that no one wants to hear the truth – as spoken here. These “designer” dogs are the biggest rip off – and there are so many fools being parted with their money. Now I don’t care about the fools or their money being separated. I DO care about the bashing of carefully bred purebred dogs and those who take the time, money and effort to produce healthy dogs being treated as horrible creatures. . Producers (won’t call them breeders) of these mutts profess “hybrid vigour”. Look it up – hybrid is a cross between two different species – like a horse and a donkey to get a mule – not a dog breed to a dog breed. Mating different dogs together doesn’t give you a healthier dog – it gives you a dog that is susceptible to what ever the parent breeds have – and if they are both prone to a disease, the chances are greater that the offspring will have that disease.

    • Richard January 4, 2014 at 7:45 pm #

      Shame on you sad people with nothing nice to say. I have a goldendoodle in the UK. Got home because I liked the look of the dog, his coat and his nature.
      Anyone reading this won’t care what you think. Your comments, threats of violence and attitude towards dogs is an embarrassment to yourselves. I pity you and hope that those of you that work with dogs consider an alternative career – you disgust me!

      • Lisa December 24, 2014 at 1:07 am #

        A mutt is a mutt is a mutt. And that is a dog of two or more breeds.

      • lee January 5, 2015 at 1:47 am #

        Richard, I agree 100% with your comments. Hating any type of dog is an embarrassment to the human race. All these doodle haters, get some love in that hard-cold heart of yours.

    • Eric Goebelbecker February 7, 2014 at 12:41 am #

      Yes, it’s so sad that people don’t want to hear carefully crafted like “Real Dog People don’t own doodles” and “Doodles are dumb.” Especially when “Doodles are dumb” is backed up with exacting science like “I’m not really sure what happens in that fuckery of gene muddling that doodles are, but it’s bad,” but it’s gotta be true since the author must have seen a very large sample before coming to this obvious conclusion.

      But hey, I’m sure someday people will wake up to the truth that a piece of paper and a closed gene pool always makes for a better dog, regardless of where you purchase it. Keep the faith.

  14. caitlingreene January 4, 2014 at 6:47 pm #

    Thank you. As a self professed dog snobs all hybrids piss me the frig off! One of the few times I was proud of Obama was when he went with a Portuguese Water Dog OVER the “Doodle” I grew up with a “breeder” and though I do know of MANY issues with purebreds, they pale in comparison to the issues with hybrids. If you want to gamble, go hit up a shelter, DO NOT pay 500+ bucks (she types as she laughs because I have seen them as high as 1500) for someone’s adventures in genetics. You want a solid, reliable family dog with a predictable temperament GO FIND A BREEDER. Do your homework, make sure said breeder is registered, in good standing with a club, performing necessary genetic testing and being transparent about bloodlines!! There had better be a DAMN good reason that I can’t meet and see photos of both mom and dad if you want my money. Honestly I want mom, dad, grandparents and some aunts and uncles too but I realize that my be beyond the scope of understanding for your average buyer.

    And no, people who espouse hybrid dogs because they are “better” I will not feel guilty for my English Pointer, he is beautiful (a little dumb) and a great companion, any issues I have are my fault because I got him as a “rescue” dog not from his original breeder, but I went in knowing that pointers tend to be neurotic so I deal with it when he is. Know your breed, know your breeder. Or accept the risk. The end.

    • Scarlette June 17, 2014 at 7:39 pm #

      Only $1500, where do you live? I’ve seem them go for $5000. (No joke).

      • yellerlab October 11, 2014 at 1:40 am #

        Well, I cannot take this doodle ness much longer. A friend of mine wanted one. She consulted me. Of course, being a TRAINER I explained it all. Penn-hip, doodles in shelters, being scammed at $1,200 per dog, etc.

        So, she got one. She wanted a 5 mo old, already “trained” (I don’t know). The dog comes home terrified of itself. No socialization. Friend says, “well breeder had a Lot to do”. Did not get into NO SUCH THING AS DOODLE BREEDER! Dog is not housebroken. On and on.

        I am a clicker trainer but will settle for reward based if a client really can’t get it. I started them off. What foods, how to reward, walking on a loose leash, etc. Never had another lesson and it shows.

        She seems to have forgotten everything I taught her about training, food, and genetics. She can sense that I am rolling my eyes invisibly believing that I just don’t like doodles because I am jealous.

        Chose low end dog food BC “breeder” suggested something that had sweet potato in it. Would not try my high end kibble even for a taste. Feeding treat junk food but won’t touch fresh food.

        Meanwhile, in some of these “Doodle towns” women run up to each other screaming if they see another Doodle.

        When I am with my friend out in the world, people stop her and ask her what kind of dog she has. They remark that she is adorable. Meanwhile, I stand there with my impeccably trained, multi- titled, genetically sound, lovely yellow lab who doss not get a second look. WTF is going on??

        People don’t know what an obedience title is. They think teaching sit is the extent of training. Breed no longer means anything. And why have one Doodle when you can have two overgrown, drooling, personality-less dog. They are clones!

        I can barely tolerate this situation. The friend thinks I am mean. I want to send her a rant for not listening to me! Get me out of this!

  15. caitlingreene January 4, 2014 at 6:48 pm #

    Thank you. As a self professed dog snobs all hybrids piss me the frig off! One of the few times I was proud of Obama was when he went with a Portuguese Water Dog OVER the “Doodle” I grew up with a “breeder” and though I do know of MANY issues with purebreds, they pale in comparison to the issues with hybrids. If you want to gamble, go hit up a shelter, DO NOT pay 500+ bucks (she types as she laughs because I have seen them as high as 1500) for someone’s adventures in genetics. You want a solid, reliable family dog with a predictable temperament GO FIND A BREEDER. Do your homework, make sure said breeder is registered, in good standing with a club, performing necessary genetic testing and being transparent about bloodlines!! There had better be a DAMN good reason that I can’t meet and see photos of both mom and dad if you want my money. Honestly I want mom, dad, grandparents and some aunts and uncles too but I realize that my be beyond the scope of understanding for your average buyer.

    And no, people who espouse hybrid dogs because they are “better” I will not feel guilty for my English Pointer, he is beautiful (a little dumb) and a great companion, any issues I have are my fault because I got him as a “rescue” dog not from his original breeder, but I went in knowing that pointers tend to be neurotic so I deal with it when he is. Know your breed, know your breeder. Or accept the risk. The end.

  16. Proud non-dog show labradoodle owner January 5, 2014 at 4:34 am #

    I think you people that have such contempt against doodles need to get a life. I’ve had multiple dogs throughout my life and my labradoodle is, if not the best, one of the best, and smartest, and best with kids, and I’ve had a collie, a golden retriever, a cocker spaniel, and a lab. There isn’t one doodle that has one set of traits and therefore deserves your condemnation. They are a diverse group of dogs where you can see some bad, some good. My dog is awesome and I certainly don’t need the approval of a “dog snob” blogger who clearly has so much hate to dismiss all doodles. And no, my dog does not shed, is hypoallergenic (but I understand that means it’s pet dander is very low to the point where it doesn’t affect allergies, minus the extremely allergic), has his dumb moments but mostly is a smart dog, and no, we don’t take him to dog shows or dress him up. Seriously, this blogger and those who are agreeing with him need to gain some perspective. Bottom line: all breeds or cross breeds have issues that outsiders like yourself will somehow find repulsive, but if it’s a good dog, it’s a good dog.

    Now I regret wasting my time trying to convince you otherwise. But it was worth a shot.

    • Sharon Hoffins January 6, 2014 at 3:57 am #

      Is your dog clinically tested to be hypoallergenic – if not, as per the document by the creator of this breed stipulates, it is not. The designer breed was a money grab at best, with many homes and children sick because parents bought this breed hoping it wouldn’t affect their sensitive families. Unless your dog has certified testing to be allergenic, congenital health testing of both parents, previous breeding stock and a thorough and certified pedigree, your dog is nothing more than a purchase for the breeder you got him or her from. A diverse group of dogs clearly states what we all have been saying, there is far too much variation in an already thin and unproven bloodline/species. Perhaps you too need to gain some perspective … take your dog into a dermatologist and test for hypoallergenic clarification before you claim there is a falsity in someone else’s statements. You may not need his approval, but you’re obviously looking for someone’s considering you chose to chime in. Show your paperwork and THEN take a stand. Poodles and Labradors come with a variety of health concerns, and the mix was not ideal – you need to be sure your dogs are screened and tested with certified organizations to be a positive contribution to any species, and few are willing to shell out the dimes to do so. Getting your annual vet check up does not qualify anyone to credit their breed as a healthy one.

    • Jan Gibbs (@esrunjan) January 28, 2014 at 3:16 pm #

      thank you. I have a Doberdoodle. Absolute genius. Great with kids. And all the breed specific snobs can vacumn their houses daily. Not me.

    • Lisa December 24, 2014 at 1:09 am #

      It still is an overpriced MIXED breed like a dog found in the pound.

  17. Victoria January 5, 2014 at 5:53 pm #

    I love my Standards. I”ve lived with the breed since 1995. I find them beautiful, loving elegant, smart, and athletic. I have friends with Labs and though I would not care to have 1 in my home full time, they loving, loyal, and sweet. Same goes for Goldens. I’ve been around 2 Goldendoodles, both wre very beautiful, laidback, gentle, and sweet.
    I despise any breeder who is greedy, uninformed, and/or uncaring with regards to their “product”.
    Slamming a breed, hybrid, whatever we should call doodles, serves no purpose other than venting. It’s doubtful it will change anyone’s mind.

  18. Jumpingdog January 5, 2014 at 8:58 pm #

    I am a long time owner of Standard Poodles and always will be. When the Doodles first became the rage, I was aghast that “breeders” could actually perpetuate this high priced mutt and for a long time, refused to even acknowledge them. Years in the veterinary field acquainted me with many and they ran the gamut from really sweet & nice dogs to dumber-than-a-rock to aggressive. These “breeders” (generally) don’t do any genetic testing and don’t consider the potential health issues of the parents. Their eye is on the $3000 price tag. My most recent veterinary job was in canine rehabilitation and it was astounding (and very sad) to see so many of these Doodles come in with orthopedic issues like hip & elbow dysplasia at very young ages. We had one who had bilateral elbow surgery before he was even a year old! Not to mention, he was the equivalent of a kid with ADHD and rather stupid. Many more had hip issues. It seems the very worst genetic characteristics in the parent dogs are reproduced exponentially in the puppies.
    I have grown to like the Doodles more, only because I love all dogs (well, *most* dogs) and they really can’t help who their parents are, but I really can’t endorse them.

  19. Lorraine Walters January 7, 2014 at 11:00 am #

    One hundred years ago, give or take, I worked at an animal shelter. If “Designer Dogs” have done anything at all they have made it a little easier for unfortunate mixes to get homes instead of being euthanized. Crap, we’re all mutts for God’s sake. I personally LOVE Doodles, but I love all animals. They’re a mixed breed, nothing more. The fact that people get sucked into the no-shed garbage is ridiculous, because they matt like hell and have to be groomed more often in my opinion. People are stupid. It’s not the dogs fault.

    • Grace February 29, 2016 at 7:40 am #

      The shelter is filled with mutts and some are smart, and some are not so smart, but most of them seem loving and sweet. When they get adopted I’m happy for them because they deserve a good life and new start.

      The smartest dog I ever had was a German Shepherd. The smartest cat I ever owned, was an Egyptian Mau I was blown away by the cat . The German Shepherd, exhibited such a high level of intelligence. I would think the dog was reading my mind!

      My friend has a German shepherd poodle mix it is calm , quiet, like a Zen dog ! It barks three times when someone comes to the door, then stops, It sheds slightly, and I wonder if it is hypoallergenic because my burn a little when I’m around her. She told me it is the smartest dog she has ever owned , she had those small yappy dogs before.

      When I first saw, doodles I did not know what they were , I thought there just super, big hybrid poodles. Suddenly, I saw so many in the city , it was doodle land. I could not figure why everyone had the same dog in different colors. I love the way the prance when they walk it reminds me of those cartoons where you see a bouncy lamb so cute!

  20. Arrogant Afghan Hound January 24, 2014 at 9:51 pm #

    Hope you don’t mind, Potnoodle, I gave ya a hat-tip and a link in my own rant about Doodles. 😉

  21. Dw January 29, 2014 at 11:59 pm #

    Working in a vet clinic, I have definitely noticed this! Especially with the ” golden doodles.” People routinely pay 4 figures for what ends up being for the most part a neurotic mutt that may or may not be “hypoallergenic.” It must not apply to mini poodle mixes, DNA my dog revealed I have a beagle-poodle mutt who doesn’t shed, will track and retrieve anything, and not a hint of neuroses (unfortunately the poodle genes couldn’t suppress the voracious beagle appetite…). Then again, maybe I have the exception to the rule!

    • Tobi February 4, 2014 at 5:56 pm #

      The dna test revealed your dog will track or retrieve anything? Wow! I want that test!

  22. Janet Ledford February 4, 2014 at 11:02 am #

    Thank you. I agree! 🙂

  23. Tobi February 4, 2014 at 5:53 pm #

    Fyi, a hybrid would be a dog/wolf, dog/coyote, horse/donkey, cat/puma etc…. get it? Stop calling mixed breed dogs hybrid. If you don’t get it pick up a dictionary or something

  24. Tom February 15, 2014 at 5:48 pm #

    I would like to know by what objective, scientific criteria are you all basing the conclusions that Golden/Poodle bred dogs are dumb?

    • Mountain Poodle February 16, 2014 at 5:01 pm #

      There really are very few objective, scientific tests to evaluate dog intelligence. Stanley Coren’s work comes to mind, but even his methodology has been called into question.

      More often when we talk about intelligence in dogs, we rely on anecdotal evidence and experience. Ask vets, trainers, groomers and performance folks and they will tell that you that, yeah… Border Collies and Poodles are pretty darn smart and Goldens are easy to train. Ask them about Doodles and you often get an: “Oh boy” and a shake of the head. It is not just sour grapes on the part of the purebred dog fancier. There is something about a Doodle that makes it less than the sum of its parts.

      Perhaps it is the mixing of two very different breeds. Retrievers are highly impulsive. They are not known for making good choices and they have an extended adolescence. For the first 3 years or so, they get an idea in their heads and they just act on it. (Ask a Lab owner about rock eating!) However, they are good-natured and you can mitigate their impulses with regular exercise. Poodles are thinking dogs that require a lot of mental stimulation. They are also dogs of extreme stamina and you can not wear them out. (John Suter ran the Iditarod 3 years with an all Poodle team, finishing every year in the middle of the pack.) Luckily, Poodles are thinking dogs who typically make good choices. Combine the two breeds, however, and you suddenly have an impulsive, Energizer-Bunny with no off switch that gets a thousand bad ideas into its head. I’m shocked at the number of Doodle owners who have to send their dogs to day care or engage in extreme exercise in an attempt to knock the spit out of their Doodles just so their dogs won’t rip the house apart.

      Perhaps part of this equation is the lack of attention to quality breeding. For many Doodle breeders, intact=breeding quality. If they are evaluating breeding prospects at all, it is usually based on color and coat, not intelligence or performance potential . Doodles are often bred very, very young, long before their working style or adult temperament can be known (some studs are only 9 months old). Doodle breeders commonly use “guardian homes” for their breeding stock so they have little personal experience with their adult breeding dog’s temperament or drive. Doodle breeders rarely, if ever, work their breeding dogs. The long and short of it is… Doodle breeders are not looking to breed for smart dogs with good work ethic that want to work for and with their people. They are looking to breed cute puppies in high demand colors, because that is what sells.

      The other piece of this puzzle may be the environment that Doodles are raised in. Since you asked about scientific criteria, I’m guessing that you are familiar with the Galton vs Skinner…. nature vs nurture argument and that fact that many social psychologists are currently favoring a “rubber band theory”. i.e nature dictates the size of the overall rubber band but experience (nurture) can stretch the rubber band.

      Doodle owners are some of the least experienced dog owners out there. Here again, there is no scientific criteria for this; we have to rely on anecdotal evidence from groomers, vets, trainers etc. Like their dogs, Doodle owners pretty much elicit an: “Oh boy” and a shake of the head. A friend of mine who is heavily involved in Doodle rescue at the national level once said that Doodle people are some of the stupidest dog owners she had ever seen. I don’t repeat this to be unkind, but to illustrate a point.

      Doodle owners are the type of folks who went out and bought a Doodle for one or more of the following reasons:

      1. It was soooooooo cute!
      2. They believed the marketing hype without doing any real research.
      3. They bought a Doodle as a status symbol.
      4. They bought a Doodle because the other soccer moms had one.
      5. They thought a Doodle was “manlier” than a Poodle.
      6. They wanted a Golden/Lab that didn’t shed.

      This adds up to the type of owner who is riding the short bus to obedience school. I think it’s likely that many Doodle owners never stretch the rubber band, and ultimately retard their dog’s intelligence and working potential.

      • Eric Goebelbecker February 16, 2014 at 5:34 pm #


        Let me try to summarize your points.

        There are no objective tests of intelligence in dogs.
        But you still think they’re stupid.
        And so are the people that buy them.
        Your basis for this is the confirmation bias I get from hanging with people that think the same way you do.

        This is the best named blog on the Internet.

      • Pennar February 17, 2014 at 4:57 pm #

        Dear mountain poodle. I love you, that is all. Thank you.

      • Mitch April 13, 2015 at 4:47 pm #

        Eric Goebelbecker, your “tl;dr” comment says everything about you and your opinion. I have no respect for someone flying off uninformed comments without reading others thoughtful reply.

    • Pennar February 17, 2014 at 4:55 pm #

      I wouldn’t go so far as to call the actual dog dumb but I do believe there is a lot of stupidity surrounding these types of dogs. I also have scientific evidence as well to back it up. I, too have a whole rant about doodles that is similar to the blogger. I won’t go into it. It is basically a rehash of what Potnoodle says and I am over it. I have learned to accept doodles, I have to, I work with dogs for a living. They are very popular and they are not going away soon. I just know I would never spent a dime on one knowing what I know about them. They are ridiculously overpriced. Next to the pit bulls they are the most exploited dog out there right now. Ok, let’s get to the scientific evidence. Over and over you hear people making claims that these dogs are hypoallergenic. Ok, let’s think about this. It is a living breathing creature. It has skin cells, fur, saliva and the ability to roll in dirt or different substances. Those are always going to potential allergens. Projecting on to a dog that some how they can be hypoallergenic like pillows, make up or medical supplies is completely unfair to the dog. I groom and doodle customers have to be my most challenging customers. Mountain poodle describes doodle owners very well. I just think they are more likely to be inexperienced dog owners. The research into buying them doesn’t go further than the cute picture on the internet and they buy into the hypoallergenic, non-shedding marketing hulabaloo. Oh yes, non-shedding is a completely incorrect term. All dogs shed, it is just a matter of how much, low, medium or high. Low shedders like the bichons or poodles do not shed like your huskies or labs. They shed but it sticks in their coat you have to manually take it out with a brush and comb, FREQUENTLY. If not, it sticks in their coat builds up and forms matts. So I am getting to scientific evidence. Hypoallergenic, nope, not really. There was a study published by the American Journal of Rhinology and Allergy that concluded that no one breed of dog has less allergens than others. You can find reference to this study at in the article titled ‘Not so Hypoallergenic Dogs’. Also if you really read up on dealing with dog allergies you can find the basic advice on dealing with it is frequent and regular grooming and good housekeeping.

      • the wandering paw March 20, 2014 at 10:29 pm #

        As an experienced dog owner, lover of ALL dogs, rescue volunteer, severe allergy, asthma, and eczema sufferer, and, yes, goldendoodle owner, there are so many things in this article that are offensive, rude, horribly judgmental, and just plain stupid. However, I feel that everything I have to say would fall on deaf ears, and frankly I don’t care what some holier-than-thou “dog snob” thinks about my wonderful, sweet, intelligent, happy, beautiful, responsibly-bred dog, who has allowed me to live with a dog with no allergy, asthma, or eczema issues. The one thing I would like to point out is people’s arguments about NO dog being hypoallergenic, including one person’s rather uninformed demand that we provide “certification” that the dog is hypoallergenic. The Merriam-Webster definition of “hypoallergenic” is “having little likelihood of causing an allergic response,” but not that something WILL NOT cause an allergic response – that would be “nonallergenic.” And yes, my goldendoodle sheds, but because he seems to produce less actual dander, I’m able to cuddle him to my heart’s content with no allergic reaction. As to the “hypoallergenic certification”… well. This is just ridiculous. Individual dogs have different proteins that will produce different reactions in each individual person. I could have absolutely no issue with Gibson, my dog, but break out in hives after having one of his littermates lick my arm. As someone who got allergy shots for 17 years (I no longer take them), I’m quite familiar with the testing process, and believe me, I definitely would’ve loved a test like that! Unfortunately, it’s not possible.

        Anyways. Have fun with your ranting. I’ve generally assumed that dog people were inherently more compassionate and kinder than non-dog people; as a “real dog person” and doodle owner, I love all breeds, mutts, whatever. I have no misconceptions about the fact that my dog is a mix, as all purebreds were when they were being developed into the dogs they are today. I hope some of you can eventually learn some compassion and extend your love for your own breeds to every dog. There are irresponsible breeders trying to make a quick buck off of every breed, mix, whatever, and the focus should be on raising awareness of prospective owners, no matter what kind of dog they want, so they can make the right decisions in choosing the healthiest, happiest pup possible and help put an end to people taking advantage. In my opinion, “real dog people” are those people who love and want to help ALL dogs, no matter how they got here, what breed they are, or what they look like.

  25. Jacklyn March 12, 2014 at 2:10 pm #

    Do you really hate Doodles enough to go on a whole rant about them? You call them gross and ugly, but that just your opinion. If a dog is gross, it’s most likely the owners fault. I work at a vet clinic and I have seen gross dogs in every form, but a brush and a bath usually fixes that. And ugly? I think the Shih Tzu is the ugliest breed out there, but that’s just my opinion and I certain don’t think they deserve a huge about their appearance. I love Standard Poodles and Salukis, but I would a millionaire if I had a nickel for every time I was told how ugly they looked. When I got my Labradoodle I wasn’t looking for a hypoallergenic dog (I knew that didn’t exist) and I wasn’t looking for a dog that didn’t shed (if fur bothered me I would have dogs). And brains of a Lab with the hair of a Poodle? That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. And “real dog people don’t own Doodles?” I have been around dogs my entire life. I have competed in agility and rally, been to all kinds of seminars and classes, trained dogs at a local shelter, and I work at a vet clinic. I have also been to and shown in at more dog shows than I can count. I would consider my self a dog person and I own a Labradoodle.

    And as for my dog, she is not gross. I have her groomed regularly. I don’t think she’s ugly but I’m sure some people do, that’s an opinion thing. She is also smart. She knows how to do so many tricks, she can track (not very far yet but we only started a month ago), and she will do agility (she’s not fond of it though). She’s not only smart she’s clever. She pulls the strings on toys to make them vibrate or light up, she can open cupboard and kennel doors if they’re not locked, and she will bark at the back door to trick the other dogs into thinking someone is there so she can have the toy or treats to herself. But I didn’t get a Labradoodle just because I thought they were smart, I got one because I meant 10+ Labradoodles and loved their personality. I would them to be affectionate, friendly, all round dogs. I did my research on Labradoodles, Poodles, and Labs. I spoke with multiple breeders and owners. And a found a breeder that met all of my criteria. Not just some jackass of kijiji. I even looked at health records of her sire and dam.

    The problems you seem to have with doodles is that the owners are stupid and don’t know what they are getting, and just believe the mass media. Don’t blame doodles for people’s ignorance. The problem is that people don’t research a breed before they get one. They go with what’s popular. The same people make the same mistakes when choosing dog food. Why do think people are so scared of corn and grain in dog food? Its not because they did research, its because the Blue Buffalo commercial told them so. People being ignorant about dog breeds and their strengths and weakness is a separate issue from whether or not you like doodles.

    • Oh please March 18, 2014 at 2:24 pm #

      Pump them brakes. Actually, most people don’t want corn or grain in their dog’s food because they DID research it, and it’s not good for them. But hey, you work for a vet, which means you get your info from someone who is bought and paid for by Hill’s.

      • Erica May 13, 2014 at 8:44 pm #

        Totally agree, a dog digestive system wasn’t made to digest grains, many dogs are also allergic to them, but most of all their is NO nutritional value in grains for dogs, it pretty much flushes right through their system and is a filler to make more money for less quality in the food.

  26. Meighan March 28, 2014 at 5:22 pm #

    Well, there is sure a lot of anger on this feed, and I get it, I do. However im a converted doodle lover, and as of 7 months ago, owner. I was raised with purebred border collies. My grandpa loved them, trained them. I got my own when I was in first year university, and did such a good job with her, my parents wouldn’t give her back after they dog-sat her while I was off traveling. I don’t blame them, she’s a gem. So fast forward a couple years, and you find me living in the Canadian north, all alone but surrounded by the worlds best hiking trails. I promptly went down to the local shelter and signed up as a dog walker, determined I would have a bonding moment with one of these husky/malamute/sled dog types that flooded the shelter…. but nothing. Sled dogs run. They’re bred to. Turns out they also run away. I had a few friends back in Edmonton who had gotten goldendoodles. They were cute but not for me. And as a single girl and shift worker, I wasn’t naive enough to think I could take on border collie training again. All of a sudden, i’m looking at the online dog postings…and wham. Ad for Goldendoodles. Hmm. I know they aren’t non shedding… but they sure shed less. And i’m a renter. They’re pretty medium energy. They’re pretty damn friendly. So I got one. And while no, he is no border collie, that dog is the best thing that’s ever happened to me. He’s incredibly chill. He never leaves my side, but not in an annoying clingy way. He will hike for hours and hours and never get tired, but if i’m busy and he spends most of the day snoozing in front of the wood stove, that’s ok too. He loves to cross country ski with me. We’ve now completed two obedience and one agility class, he was the youngest dog in both by almost 6 months and he preformed like a dream… one of the strongest in the class. And he’s only 8 months old. So to go and generalize and say all doodles are dumb, or hate them because of this societal fad that’s evolved, it isn’t really fair. Get mad at the people marketing them as purebreds or whatever, charging crazy money for them (i defiantly didn’t pay a fortune for mine). Don’t get mad at the dog. He’s just there to be your happy go lucky buddy. And I sure love mine.

    • Meighan March 28, 2014 at 5:32 pm #

      And also, the lady who bred mine had papers for both the parents, and their health was fully checked and disclosed prior to breeding.

    • Shelby Wolf February 16, 2015 at 3:47 pm #

      I think it’s fantastic that so many of the Pro-Doodle people in these comments have gotten lucky with their dogs and live with happy reasonably healthy examples of the cross. However working in the pet industry I’ve seen plenty of the other kind too, curly-ish disasters.
      Breeding a mutt intentionally is a bit like playing roulette, sometimes you will get good dogs out of the deal, sometimes you wouldn’t wish the progeny on your worst enemy.
      While I personally would never own a doodle of any kind, I could potentially respect a “breeder” who was doing health and temperament testing prior to breeding their chosen crosses, unfortunately the vast majority of “breeders” seem to just breed anything to anything with the corresponding parts in order to make money.
      I still say if you want to live with a mutt go shop your local dog pound, but if you’re determined to purchase a Doodle please do some serious homework on the “breeder you’re going to buy from, I’m sure there’s a few good ones out there who are more concerned with the quality of their pups than the quality of their savings account.

  27. KT April 13, 2014 at 7:01 pm #

    Doodles make me feel rage. These selfish assholes who buy them should think to adopt and save a life instead of shelling out $$$ for an ugly over-sized muppet. Why are these so popular? They are so so so far from being cute it makes me sick.

  28. KT April 13, 2014 at 7:03 pm #

    Also, for all you brainwashed suckers saying your dog is marvelous and a “gem” …COOL DUDE. Still doesn’t make it cute though.

  29. Erin April 28, 2014 at 1:07 pm #

    Wow. Lots of time and energy on the hating of a “doodle” — hating perfectly loving, family pets. I was surfing around, looking for specific tips and came across this blog accidentally. I suppose the dog snobs title gives it away… To me, doodle hating is really no different than hating any “breed” or any dog mix for general reasons that have nothing to do with experience or real life knowledge of living, training or working with a specific dog. Also lots of judgement on what people choose to spend their $ on; my husband and I personally get a huge kick out of the judgy people who like to announce to others “this is my “rescue” dog”; rather than — this is my dog, “Rover”. Good for you, that you rescued — but I don’t really give fruitcake how wonderful you feel you are….. WHO CARES if you rescued, or bought, or borrowed…. just love, groom and TRAIN your dog, so they don’t need rescuing from YOU!! I tend to agree with Meighan, Wandering Paw, and Jacklyn’s posts — well articulated. I BOUGHT my doodle. (GASP!!!!) I can spend my $$ on whatever I like, last I checked. I have “rescued” dogs in past as well — although I think they rescued me…. Really, none of the ranty judgy haters’ business….

    I have a small male 26 pound Australian Labradoodle who will small medium sized dog – -almost a year old now. I certainly don’t see him him as a “status symbol” — how funny! His sire and dam were ALD, as were their parents, gp, ggp, and beyond. I “get” he’s not a “recognized” breed; I don’t care — I ! Our dog is a pretty great family dog and I have what wanted. I can’t imagine being without him. He crazy smart. Outshines the Vislas, labs, PwD, poodle, Rhodesian Ridgeback, and the bullies who’ve in his puppy and obedience class. He’s crazy smart, cheerful, eager to please. Loves the water, and loves to retrieve. I love the latter less… 😉 Happy to tear around like a madman, or snuggle up like a teddy bear. Great hips and eyes. He’s funny, comical, playful. He’s finally won over our cats, (he’s curled up with one as we speak). I don’t find him “high energy” who needs the “spit knocked out of him” He’s a DOG. He needs regular exercise like most dogs do, so we do that! We have him, because I had met several of these dogs in various sizes from a woman who is an established, local breeder and was so impressed with the consistency of the coats in the dogs she had, and loveliness of her dogs. I enjoy grooming him — he has an amazing spiral fleece soft coat, that does not shed fur all over the house (which I LOVE). It is not a low maintenance coat — he needs brushing which he and I have a routine for and he likes now!. But have to say, it doesn’t shed. ( I have cats, THEY ARE SHEDDING MACHINES)

    I will say I seen some earlier generation F1 and F1b lab/poodle/doodle mixes with weird and wiry coats that weren’t so “cute” imho — but it doesn’t mean they aren’t perfectly nice dogs to their families! I personally don’t think bull dogs of any type are “cute” — but that doesn’t mean many people don’t love and care for these breeds too!), and I don’t love some of the skiing , smooth haired purebred hounds for example — but that’s a preference — It doesn’t mean I “hate” them….

    KT– if doodles make you feel “rage”; holy cow — you need a life. I like my over proved muppet, I like my rescue, I like my sister house hippo of a bull dog, I like my friend’s neurotic Havenese, and love my neighbour’s mix lab/shephard (more so because they don’t announce “he’s a rescue” to anyone who will listen, like other attention seekers do…. I can’t really say I can think of many animals that make me feel” rage”. I will admit I’m not a bug, and spider lover though….

    Real dog lovers don’t rage or hate on dog typology — they should care about good training and care about helping people and dogs be happy and healthy animals regardless of whether they are sleek, shaggy, muscular, active couch potatoes, or whether they are purebred, or papered breed, a mix, or “rescues.” All the rants above — you could take the word doodle out and replace it with ANY OTHER dog type or breed. Pennars post about “scientific evidence to back up that these dogs are stupid” is well, just ridiculous. There is no such valid evidence. All dogs can have issues. “Doodles” have no more or less than any other.

    To the dogsnobs–> Get a life. These generalizations are ridiculous.

    • TheDogSnobs April 28, 2014 at 7:21 pm #

      Fucks Given: 0

    • Pennar April 29, 2014 at 12:40 am #

      If you are going to quote me, please quote me accurately. I never said the dogs were stupid. I am glad you take very good care of your doodle. You are in the minority.

  30. Erica May 13, 2014 at 8:27 pm #

    First of all I want to make it very VERY clear that I do not support randomly throwing breeds together and charging a butt load of money for a new “breed” or just to call it an Aushit or Bullshit, and I am not a personal fan of the doodles. However I would like to add to this “debate/rant”, every breed in existence started as the doodles are now, two purebreds of a different breed put together, (however there was a working purpose being worked towards not a monetary one) there have also been plenty of breeders throughout the history of breeding dogs that wanted to try to achieve a good goal out of breeding two different breeds and failed and so tried to abandon it, this is the case with the Golden/Labradoodles, the original attempt was a good try, but didn’t work out like he hoped, however backyard breeders have now gotten a hold of the breed and gone to far with it like they have with most common breeds.

    From a trainer standpoint I dissagree that the dogs are dumb, I have found they are plenty intelligent and I have had a pleasure training many of them for clients, just like any child or other dog every individual learns different. Plenty of common training styles don’t work on many of our purebreeds just as most terriers need a different training style from shepherds and border collies so too the doodles need a different training and motivation style.

    From a groomer stand point they are a nightmare, I charge extra for the breed because of the amount of work they are. That would be the biggest fault I have found with this breed especially since most people can’t seem to manage brushing their dog once a month much less every day or so.

    As for the personality I think they make a great companion for a single person. Although I have seen them come through my shop with the occational health or temperament issue, in general I see less of those issues in them than a german shepherd (and I am a shepherd lover).

    For the most part I don’t have a problem with the breed but neither would I want them for my own, but many purebreeds fall under that “neat but I wouldn’t want one” category for me. Again the biggest thing I would change is their coat.

  31. Lilly June 18, 2014 at 7:41 pm #

    Okay, so I have read through these comments and am kind of appalled !! I have a whippetxpoodle who is most definitely the most intelligent dog I have ever had the pleasure of owning. She is used for rabbiting, ratting and agility. She is extremely obedient and is more intelligent than the standard poodle I also own, who wanders around independently. This is not the only example of intelligence in a doodle I’m sure.
    HOWEVER if this is aimed at GOLDENDOODLES, LABRADOODLES AND SUCH then I agree wholeheartedly. I have never met an intelligent dog with that breeding.

    • Mountain Poodle June 19, 2014 at 1:46 pm #

      Good Lord. If your Whippet X Poodle mix is more intelligent than your purebred Standard Poodle, you must have gotten a Standard who was dropped on its head as a puppy.

  32. Chris June 20, 2014 at 1:07 pm #

    Good God, any designer dog is retarded. And not in the good, funny way that makes Adam Sandler millions. But in the sad, depressing, Sean Penn way. No, every dog is not “designer.” They bred together “like” dogs to make a function and form a hundred years ago, and when they got it they stopped adding salt and pepper to the recipe. But they didn’t have far to go. Everybody thinks adding poodle to a breed makes them more, something. Hell, I’m not sure what crack pot idea got into their head. I’m only sure your a fucking idiot if you set out to buy a poodle cross. Never seen a poodle cross do anything worth while expect aerate the garden. And I don’t have friends that have poodle crosses, because they will eventually forget to eat or drink, or look both ways before crossing the street, and then die. It would be a short friendship because doodle people are Darwinian cautionary tales, just like their ugly, stupid dogs. I don’t have time for all those funerals.

    • Wendy Gardner January 19, 2015 at 4:19 pm #

      HAHAHAHAHA Chris that was SO funny! I agree completely lol

  33. pommom101690 July 9, 2014 at 2:20 pm #

    Thank you for this! So much yes!

    Honestly, my disdain is not toward the dog. They didn’t ask for some greedy bastard to breed them. My contempt is for both the breeders and the uneducated buyers that flock to purchase these glorified mutts.

    I will never be able to wrap my brain around paying $1500 or more for a dog that isn’t even purebred. It just doesn’t make sense to me.

    The people that argue they are purebred really make me scratch my head. One guy said, “Well, one purebred dog bred with another purebred dog makes purebred puppies.” Guess what moron? You forgot one important factor…. THEY HAVE TO BE THE SAME BREED!

    Personally, I am not a fan of any of those designer mixes. The majority of these people aren’t selectively breeding in the hopes that one day, the AKC will accept this new dog. No. It is usually someone says, “Hey I have a Yorkie. You have a Maltese. Let’s make Morkies and sell them to morons.”

    I often hear the argument that most dogs, at some point, started as a mix of existing breeds. I get it. You know what though? One of the most recent dogs added to the AKC is the Chinook. It took over 100 years of selectively breeding to reach a solid breed standard and to have them admitted to the AKC. This doesn’t happen overnight. The labradoodle. by all the accounts I can find, originated, at the earliest, in the late 1980s. so, that twenty-something years versus 100-something years for the Chinook.

    The other problem with these purposively bred mutts is that there is no standard, so you don’t really know what you are getting. Will the dog have a coat more like the sire breed or the dam breed? Will they be ok with allergies like the Poodle is for most people, or will they cause issues like the other breed they are mixed with? Will their temperament be like one breed or the other, or a mix? There is no way to know.

    My biggest peeve is that I cannot understand why you would pay that much for a mutt from a crap breeder when you could adopt a fully vetted mutt from your local shelter for like $50.

    That being said, I have five purebred dogs, all of whom were adopted from various organizations.

  34. doodle lover July 22, 2014 at 3:28 am #

    I have a 10 year old doberman poodle that I paid $100 for. Rescued her from a home where they said she was stupid. She was very very shy and scared of everything (car, steps, windows, other dogs, beds, noises). Most intelligent, well-mannered dog anyone that has ever seen her, has said. We do not have a fenced yard, electric fence, shock collar or anything else but have trained her to stay in our yard by walking her around the perimeter once. She has never once left the yard or stepped foot on the street. She comes when called, obeys every command EVER given. We have her groomed every 2 months when it’s warm out, every 3-4 when it’s cold. She does not mind the cold or the heat. I’ve never seen her shiver due to being cold outside as is the case with a friends dobe. Is an inside dog but grudgingly comes inside when it’s bedtime. Has not had one health issue EVER except came with worms, as a lot of puppies do. I have heard her growl/snap one time when a neighbor’s dog was running towards my daughter in our yard. She has never jumped on anyone. EVER. Very playful. Helps in the yard with carrying sticks, weeding flower beds by pulling the weeds and shaking the dirt off. Loves to play with other dogs. She had a single (ONE) potty accident when she was a puppy. Barks only to warn of strangers coming into our driveway or knocking on the door. Does not lick people or sniff crotches. Does not dig all over the yard. Has not destroyed a single item except when we give her a new toy, it’s destroyed in about 10 minutes. Both parents and an uncle were on the premises when we got her. It was an accidental breeding and I was happy to take her.She may be ugly to a lot of people, but beauty is all in the eye of the beholder. I feel like we did rescue her. She could play fetch all day if you let her, or hide her toy.You don’t know what you’re going to get with any breed of dog. They all have different personalities and just because they are coming from a breeder where you are paying an arm and a leg for, does not mean they are guaranteed to be good dogs. It’s all in the training. I will be getting my next dog probably from a shelter as I can’t see paying more than the $2-$300 adoption fee for any dog. Purebred or not, no dog is worth more than that when there are so many that need to be rescued and anyone that pays that is an idiot.

  35. Sam cox September 3, 2014 at 4:37 am #

    Just because a dog is called a labradoodle it doesn’t mean it is one, many people are selling dogs they claim to be a labradoodle when they are simply a cross between a lab and a poodle – this is NOT a labradoodle. Breeding a labradoodle took many years and a lot of science and you do not get one by breeding a poodle and a Labrador. This has caused a lot, and I mean a LOT of confusion for people out there. The only real labradoodle is australian bred and yes it is not a mutt, mongrel or cross breed. It is an actual true dog breed with a non shedding coat that is extremely rare to cause allergies. You can research and find out about this breed by more thorough investigation. The fact that people are breeding cross breeds and including poodle in the mix, adding the doodle to the end of the name is causing more and more confusion. A better name for the breed is the australian cobber dog.

    • Mountain Poodle September 3, 2014 at 6:22 am #

      Wow Sam, you bought into the ALD (Australian Labradoodle) myth? Science? Years of hard work? How about simply a woman named Beverly Manners who started in Cockapoos and eventually opened a notorious puppy mill that churned out high priced Poodle mixes with a killer marketing plan.

      For more information about the founder of ALDs and her program, check out: There is a lot to read there and more archived at the bottom right of the page but I especially like the section on “Where’s the Labra in my Labradoodle (turns out most ALDs are like 86% Poodle).

  36. Mike October 1, 2014 at 3:29 am #

    The only reason why I like doodles is because the original litter of labradoodles bred was bred by someone responsible who was looking to get good service dogs, and 29 of the original 32 doodles he bred went on to become service dogs.

    They’ve ballooned out of control and I think that a rescue is still the best way to go, but I understand the motivation behind the original doodles.

  37. Laura October 4, 2014 at 7:25 pm #

    I have a Sheepadoodle, Old English Sheepdog Poodle cross. He completed AKC puppy star program at 14 weeks and Canine good citizen by the time he was 21 weeks, most dogs aren’t even starting at that point. Dumb doodles, I think N O T !!

  38. Jidy October 7, 2014 at 1:06 am #

    I am glad many of you share your comments.

    Well, it’s my turn.

    I am a PROUD Owner of a labradoodle. He is the best dog I have ever owned. And, I have had many other breeds over my lifetime.

    He has done all the levels of training classes given. He was to top dog is all the classes. And yes there more than one dog in class. In each class had a minimum 5 puppies or adult dogs. And, yes the trainer told me some of the smartest dogs she has had in her classes are doodles. She has been training for over ten years.

    So, I sit here wondering happened to you all who have such negative opinions of doodle and their owners. I know I personally have done nothing to you. I chose a dog I was interested one. One who would make me and my husband happy.

    I live my life looking for goid in all things.

  39. Jidy October 7, 2014 at 1:10 am #

    One more thing. I don’t believe that I was put on this earth to judge or to be judged. The only ones I have to answer to is first God and secondly to my husband.

  40. astrangemuse November 7, 2014 at 4:52 pm #

    While I generally agree that doodles are of the more stupid breeds out there, some can and are great dogs, we had several doodles that came through a daycare that I used to work at, and most are dumb retarded things that never really grew out of being an ill-mannered puppy. 1/10 I’d say was a great dog, listened well, had good manners, people and dog manners, and was generally a joy to have in daycare. They can be amazing dogs given he time and proper training and socialization, of that I have no doubt, but most doodles are well…..doodles.

    I did however find an example of a goldendoodle that could/can retrieve game if anyone is interested in having a look.

  41. BeachPoodle November 10, 2014 at 5:25 pm #

    As a Poodle person (currently one standard and two toys) for over 50 years (I have also had mixed breeds) I do not understand the fascination with doodles.I have heard about grooming nightmares and their lack of intelligence but, I’ve never owned one so, can’t comment. Doodle owners frequently stop to tell me why they got a doodle instead of a Standard Poodle (not sure what they say to the Lab or Golden owners).
    I knew a goldendoodle clipped like a Standard Poodle including shaved face and feet — the owner did AKC agility before mixed breeds were allowed so, he passed her off as a Standard with an undocked tail. One day, before agility class, he told me he didn’t get a Standard Poodle because he wanted a Poodle with a better temperament. My Poodles looked up at me and said, “whatever”.
    Other doodle owners have said: “I wanted a dog that was more athletic than a Poodle”, “I am not a Poodle person but, I wanted a Lab/Golden that didn’t shed”, “I wanted a dog that was better with children than a Poodle”, “I didn’t want to do one of those fancy Poodle clips”. I used to try to educate these people on the merits of Standard Poodles but, gave up so, now I just nod my head and under my breath say, “whatever”.
    Doodles and little poodle mixes are extremely popular in my area — Standard Poodles are unique. Recently a little girl asked if my standard was a labradoodle. When I told her he was all Poodle she exclaimed, ” Wow, a REAL Poodle, I’ve never met a REAL Poodle”. When I told her my two Toy Poodles also were all Poodle, she said, ” Three REAL Poodles!” Then she called her friend over to meet the 3 REAL Poodles.

  42. Wendy Z November 28, 2014 at 8:53 pm #

    So… I just thought I’d say the following… while you all are ragging on doodles…there are many that are not dumb as a post and that are very nicely trained with CGC certifications and TD certifications. I know of at least two doodles who are companion dogs to veterans with PTSD and they are life savers for those vets! There are many purebred dogs of many (all) breeds that are also bred under horrible conditions in puppy mills and are also not smart, not socialized and untrained. Any dog can thrive and learn and be a “good dog” given the right amount of training, love, patience, nutrition and veterinary care. I have one doodle and I am a foster for a doodle rescue. I agree with your sentiments about backyard breeders in general, but not breed specific backyard breeders. Backyard breeders and puppy mills of all breeds are in it for the buck not because they really care about the dogs and most if not all do not take care in the breeding lines or health certifications etc. Mostly I don’t appreciate your breed specific nasty rants but this is just my 2 cents and I’m reasonably certain you don’t care what I think.

  43. Mother of a Rescue Doodle Named Raji November 30, 2014 at 1:06 pm #

    I rescued my black goldendoodle from a poodle rescuer. I saved his life. Reading this article made me angry, because I love my 75lb rescued doodle. He started training as soon as I got him and regularly attends daycare or the dog park for socialization. He absolutely loves children (all humans, really) and dogs. He even loves his cat sister. When I almost lost my mom earlier this year, he was quite empathetic. In fact he never destroys his stuffed animals. He is even tender when he plays with them. As far as smarts go, he picks up tricks quite easily and never leaves my side. He learned invisible fence in less than ten minutes. Yes, he’s scared of bubble wrap and the large grinch in the yard and had a hard time figuring out stairs, but you haven’t lived in his paws and have no idea the horrors he experienced prior to rescue. So don’t judge those of us who have doodles. You have no idea where we or they came from. For the record I used to think poodles were stupid, dainty dogs. And furthermore, most poodles come by way of a breeder as opposed to rescue, which bothered me since there are so many dogs in shelters that need a second chance. After having a doodle I now realize poodles are quite smart! Just like my lovable rescue doodle named Raji.

  44. Pood Master January 6, 2015 at 3:58 am #

    FUCK YES!!!! TO EVERY WORD IN THIS POST!!!!! As a professional groomer, I am no longer accepting new doodle clients, and my employees are about done taking them as well. Every once in a while we will get a good one, but that is RARE. Usually they act like a sketched out badly bred (key words “Badly bred”) poodle, or a dumbishit overly hyper Golden. Or lab. Blech.

  45. Wendy Gardner January 19, 2015 at 4:26 pm #

    Get yourself a border collie,heeler or kelpie and then tell me how smart your doodle is. Wait. Don’t do that. You do have to be smarter than the dog…

  46. Fritz February 5, 2015 at 6:51 pm #

    I dog sit for a doodle and he is the worst. He is so dumb, runs into walls and doors all the time, and is the most uncoordinated dog I have ever sat for. The only positive thing about him, is that he makes my coonhound look like a saint.

  47. jen levine February 17, 2015 at 10:06 pm #

    Want smart, curly/fluffy, and more lab like but doesn’t shed? Get a Portuguese Water Dog. Amazing dogs.

  48. em February 23, 2015 at 4:44 am #

    Genetics are weird, yo. While I do know one very nice doodle quite well (labradoodle, first gen cross), he’s a bit of a freak- focused, great with kids, good with other dogs, food driven, very smart, no desire to fetch, and built like a 100+lb tank on long graceful legs- and very unlike all the other doodles I’ve met, who do generally seem very flaky.

    On the other hand, since adopting my GSD/Rottie mix, I’ve met several others and every one has the same personality. For some inscrutable reason, crossing a German Shepherd and Rottweiler yields the personality of a golden retriever (but without the hotspots and OCD). It’s a little freaky.

  49. ladychaunceybarkington March 2, 2015 at 4:01 am #

    I can’t hate dogs but I CAN very much not like the people responsible for doodles.

    Doodles have some of their poodle side’s intelligence. The problem is that the people who get them didn’t want a dog, they wanted a popular fad. The dog is a collectable, not a living creature who requires training, enrichment, grooming, and so on. So you end up with an out of control, obnoxious, gross medium to large dog with no manners and no self control skills who’s always in a state of terrible matting (in between shave downs or long and painful demattings).

    “if they’re a special kind of idiot, a purposeful sport mix.”


    • ladychaunceybarkington March 2, 2015 at 4:01 am #

      I meant MOST of the people who get them. The owners who aren’t as described are a rare breed.

    • yeller April 12, 2015 at 10:38 pm #

      I wholeheartedly agree with you abut the owners. Very good assessment.Just a reminder, you really can’t say the dog got the brains of the poodle, the temperament of the lab or what have you. Its not quite that simple. The Lab people may be offended.

      Poodles and Labs are both intelligent dogs who are fabulous in their own ways. However, lack of training in a Lab is far more serious than lack of training in a Poodle. I fear this is where Labs get their bad marks: Again irresponsible owners.

      The loveable knuckleheads and their more sophisticated peers are both wicked smart and have a lot to contribute to their own breeds and to the dog world, in general.

      How brilliant of you to point out that many (not all) of the owners of doodles owners are using them for status. I know this to be true as I saw an entire wealthy town turn totally doodle.

      Generally, a doodle owner has to see another doodle in order to want one. No need to research a “breeder” that way. One already has a “recommendation”.

  50. liz March 22, 2015 at 4:12 pm #

    I got my poodle/schnauzer mix from a rescue. No, I wasn’t looking for a doodle. I wasn’t looking for a “hypoallergenic” dog (nonsense)> I was looking for a schnauzer, actually. But since I was looking for a rescue, and actually looking for a smart dog who would fit in with our family, I was open minded.

    The “foster mom” brought this dog to our house. She looked completely different from her picture – she was shaven down because she’d just been fixed and they figured she might as well get shaved down all the way, and it was summer, anyway. (Go figure?) She was one smart cookie of a dog. They’d taken her to dog training. (The rescue worked with the prison and had inmates training them!) She was also very affectionate. The “foster mom” said she was found in the woods by a trucker who fell in love with her, but whose company wouldn’t let him bring a pet along for long hauls. So… there you go. We think she’s a schnauzer/poodle mix based on her features. But she could have other stuff. IDK or really care. People ask me what kind of dog she is. Her long legs give the poodle part away for those in the know. Sometimes I hear “doodle,” and get the coos. I just shrug it off. This is my girl, I love her, she’s a mutt and I call her a mutt because… mutt. I hate BYBs and I really hate the ones who made my girl, who ever they are. Why?

    She is a seizure dog.

    This is common with “doodle” dogs who are BYB. We have to cradle our poor girl while she looks up at us with this horrified, confused look, and shakes uncontrollably. The vet says this is common with “designer” dogs like her, and that he sees many “designer” dogs with this issue because the breeders are ignorant jackasses. Dammit! I wish I could take these “breeders” and give them a shot to experience what my poor girl experiences. How dare they.

    My girl is so easy to train. She walks on a loose leash. She can walk without a leash, next to me, on a country road. She will stop and stay. She speaks. She sings. (I love it when she does that!) She is loads of fun. Intelligence and loyalty isn’t the issue I have, clearly. It’s the seizures. This wouldn’t be an issue if BYB weren’t around.

    So doodles aren’t cool to breed. Adopt a dog that works for you. And don’t hesitate to help out a dog with health issues if you can afford it. (Don’t get me started on people who adopt dogs and can’t be bothered to take care of them.) But I tell people all the time I didn’t buy a designer dog, I adopted a mutt. I don’t want to encourage them in an unethical direction.

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